I thought it was only appropriate to have my first opinion-based blog post be an elaboration on my last facebook wall post, where I mentioned as an example how I am morally opposed to recycling. Unfortunately, I soon realized that I had a lot more to say about this subject than I thought, so I'm going to break this post down into four posts to make it easier to read. You can check back here over the next four days to read it in chunks in order to prevent you, dear reader, from looking at six pages worth of material and saying "fuck that shit". As always, feel free to comment.
Now like any of my opinions, they’re not perfect. Some counterpoints:
If you’d rather keep this current ecosystem in stasis because you personally think pandas are super cute or something, then alright. It’s the equivalent of me rooting for fungus at the expense of other species, and if you just admit to yourself and other people that you want to preserve this current ecosystem for its aesthetic appeal then I’m fine with it. Just don’t be a hypocrite and say you’re actions are noble and sacrificing.
You can easily say that all my talk of a world I want to see is irrelevant because neither I nor my children will probably be alive to see either outcome. But then I can say the same thing to my opposition. Chances are whatever you do with your life will barely effect the outcome of the situation. But we might as well try; I’d rather be jousting at windmills then doing nothing with my life.
When I discussed the kind of resourceful people that will invent new technologies and lifestyles to save the human race from extinction once it’s a big enough threat, you might argue that a) it is threatening enough RIGHT NOW, and b) uhh, isn’t green technology the kind of advancements that you’re talking about? First, we’re not entirely sure how bad humans are screwed right now. While the current supply of fuel and gas will certainly run out by the end of the century, new technologies to find new oil deposits as well as alternate fuel sources and awesomely useful resources like nuclear energy make it hard to determine when and if we’ll ever be truly strapped for power. As for global warming, it’s still unknown just when we’ll be severely negatively affected by it (and it certainly won’t be the day after tomorrow), and honestly I’m not too worried for survival of humanity because of increased floods and wild fires. Even the most extremist, alarmist reports state that the world won’t go to hell until you and I are too old to care. Secondly, current green technology is nowhere near enough to permanently save us. Modern “environment friendly” technology and lifestyles are nothing more than stall tactics. Here’s a good example of the difference between creating renewable resources the “green”, “smart”, “future-conscience” way that the general public currently thinking of, and the innovative way I keep talking about. We think recycling is a great way to save the environment because reusing old materials to make new ones is a simple plan with an obvious beneficial outcome (not to mention it’s a very easy way to feel better about ourselves day to day, and that’s how Americans like their altruism- with minimal work). However, if you think critically about recycling, it falls apart. Even if every single person on the Earth recycled their recyclable goods then a) the non-recyclable goods would still be screwed and b) eventually everything would still run out because matter is lost in the recycling process, and even if just a few grams of matter are lost a day eventually everything would run out as material is burned up or blown away in the wind. But we’re not even blessed with that situation in real life because most people on Earth do not recycle; meaning recycling is nothing but a stall tactic. And even THAT isn’t the case, because most recycling plants are inefficient. The current technology seems to consist mostly of sorting out the material, and then either wasting massive amounts of water and energy to create the new recycled products or just leaving the sorted trash in warehouses until we can think of better ways to recycle it (seriously). On the other hand, the kind of technology used to mine trash for minerals and methane gas is being worked on right now (and as all Starcraft players know, everything in the future is built using only minerals and gas). Using this Mr. Fusion-esque technology, we can mine our massive landfills for necessary materials efficiently in the future. So if you really want to save our future, throw all your trash in a landfill. In short, it’s much more likely for humanity to develop the technology to save ourselves under the pressure of looming extinction than the calm ignorance of thinking that the “green” lifestyle will save us. Admit it, when you see a commercial from a big company promising new green technology, you feel a little more calm and complacent about the environment situation, and a complacent population is a doomed population.
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Now you can point out that the current green movement is a necessary step to those future innovations; they lead to better technologies, inspire young intellects to start working towards solutions, and most importantly finally make citizens and their governments recognize the problem so that the demand for the solutions are increased. I would agree with you too, it’s always better to be prepared. Except that those citizens and their governments are stupid as hell. People will continue to panic about the environmental end-times like society is currently doing until enough businesses and politicians pledge to “make the world a better place for tomorrow”. Give it 5-10 more years and people will feel like they’ve done enough to care for their environment, will grow bored, and worry about something else. Scientists developing ways to harness new resources will get less funding, and nothing will be done as America wakes up with an empty Bread Basket. So stop getting excited about the green movement’s ability to “save the world”. All this greenwashing is going to lead to nothing but a content and lazy population.
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Finally, if you’d like to counter my argument about it being cool if humans could beat the record for biggest caused extinction with your own point that it would be just as impressive, if not more so, to be the sole species to stop the trend of extinction and death that this universe has lived with, then fine. Many people would probably agree with you over me, and if not for my other points in the last paragraph, I might too. That is, until I watched the show Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. In this anime, the Big Bad villain of the show is the Anti-Spirals, a race who after realizing that the show’s metaphor for evolution and natural life processes in general will eventually cause the destruction of the universe due to life forms using up too much energy and resources as they evolve and advance their civilizations. In response, they suppressed all other alien species in the universe and placed the survivors under strict control on their respective home planets, while the Anti-Spirals themselves sealed their entire home planet in an internal stasis. This is the eventual outcome of thinking “green”. While the Anti-Spirals plan might keep the universe and what little life there is alive forever, what kind of life is that? An individual’s life, as well as the “life” of a society, a species, an ecosystem, a planet, and the entire universe all consists of birth, a long road of good and bad times, and eventually death. Environmentalism, essentially, is a fear of this death; a fear of your own death and the death of other people and life forms. If you want to “save the environment”, it’s probably because you find it hard to except that your life, your children’s life, and the world around you will eventually die. But it will. And we just have to except that, and look forward to the new life that death will bring this world.
oohhh... break'n out Gurren Lagen for the big final argument! i'm happy i watched that show for many reasons and i understand your point a little better. here's what you're overlooking:
ReplyDeletethe poor.
i have spent time in other countries, specifically Germany and Egypt. their mass transit and recycling and green technology are way more advanced than ours. Egypt is esp. after green tech because their energy grid can't handle the population. there are 18 million people in Cairo and the surrounded area alone. each family is in charge of building their own housing and almost everyone has their own water heating contraption, satellite TV hook-up, and solar panels. it's unregulated by the government yet is producing some advancements by these garage-inventor types. if you've seen the tankless-waterheater, you can thank an Egyptian (from which Rinnai, a Japanese company bought the design and is now the #1 water-heater world wide).
i view recycling and green tech and such not as the anti-spirals, who in resisting death become static and dead themselves, but part of Team GURREN LAGEN! resisting death and entropy every step of the way. living life and living it abundantly, realizing that it ends, yet setting up a situation where when our lives end they have resulted in a better world for those lives that follow.
oh, and about the poor. when you stated "All this greenwashing is going to lead to nothing but a content and lazy population" i disagree. i think our consumerist culture is doing that and the alarmists have it right in standing against that. just watch Food INC and King Corn where this subsidized food is cheaper than healthy stuff that will keep you alive longer. what happens when we eat only fast food? yeah, death.
ReplyDeletethe poor, the marginalized, the oppressed will directly benefit from green technology. solar panels, water-recollection tech. and tankless water heaters will directly benefit Mercy Home, an orphanage in Kenya that our church sponsors. they can't be on the grid both in energy or on water because the lines keep getting cut-off any time tribal warfare breaks out between the orphanage and the next closest city, which is a good 250 miles (LOTS of tribes between the two locations). how can we help these orphans have life, and have it abundantly? green tech and recycle'n! we send our old clothes and books to them, we send articles about how to make compressed adobe bricks, saving them $$ on buying commercial bricks. we send missions and experts in green tech over to help them set up and have water and heat and energy.
i saw the benefits of green tech for the poor in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/toothface15#p/u/66/5-ERfVjK5yg>the garbage district in Egypt</a> and how the poorest of the poor can eek out a living through recycling and can keep off the expensive government grid through green tech. it's life, and life abundantly in a resource-poor area. i can't think of a better testament to spiral power than that!
oops, forgot to put in the " between the g and > if you get a chance, could you change that?
ReplyDeleteThis is what I hate, this green branding of shit. The tankless water heater, while arguably great for conserving resources, should be seen primarily more as a common sense invention. Am I making any sense. It's like... not "I'm going to save our resources/the environment/the world with this invention" but more like "I'm going to make a heater that works like it should've in the first place and not be an inefficient invention of the past." Man, we should go back to steam engines...
ReplyDeleteNot to be a cynic, but I seriously question the practically of the actual green techniques I've seen/heard about from you just now. At Kim's summer camp they spent 3 years and a lot of money to build a compost toilet which will... drumroll please... produce a pile of mulch for them to use. But only after 10 years of campers using it first. As for Mercy Home... I wouldn't be surprised it one of those warring tribes raids it for supplies after they see the American deliveries.
What I'm particularly attacking here anyway is American attitudes towards "going green". It's just a catch phrase. The crunchy granola types use it for the purpose of "saving the earth", a vague parameter which as I discussed I really fucking hate. Big business uses it as an empty promise to sedate its consumers, and 75% of Americans who are dumb as shit either see it as pretentious or they don't know what it is.
As for helping the poor in the first place, there's a reason I'm not a christian. It's not just that I don't hold Jesus as my metaphysical savior, but I don't know if I agree with a lot of his philosophies either. I'm not sure what I feel like the best good works there is for me to do, but its not necessarily dedicating myself to those fiscally less stable then I. I should make a blog post about this, there's a great American Red Cross commercial I want to link to.
PS-While Team Dai Gurren (or at least Simon) may try to resist death, they certainly don't try to resist entropy, hell they can't even spell it.
PSS-What happens when we eat only fast food? yeah, death. What happens no matter what we do, what we eat, how we live, what we strive for, what we accomplish? yeah death. I'm not worried about that. Then again I don't have kids yet, I might want to stay alive if I had a baby as cute as Eve....
yet it was the whole idea to conserve water that spawned a better, more efficient water-heater. i like the green tech stuff mainly for that reason. more efficient use of resources and the only way to get our engineers to start cranking shit out that actually does the job is to threaten mass extinction. maybe steam engines are the way to go.. only if they're nuclear powered! that'll get your water boil'n!
ReplyDeleteand screw the poor, they got themselves in there in the first place. seriously? might i suggest the book "bridges out of poverty" before you post anything on poverty.
the fast food thing was a weak argument, but you get the point. ever watch "Super Size Me"? dude's liver started to fail after 3 weeks. i know people who've eaten fast foot for 3 years straight. i can't imagine what their livers must be like. i like to eat healthy and local, not only cause it's better for you but also because it tastes better. i really miss central market.
as for weak arguments, Team Dai Gurren not spelling entropy... yeah, you want to throw your hat in with that camp? ;-) nah seriously, i think we don't know enough of their culture to argue whether it was efficient or green or avoiding entropy or not. living knowing that you're going to die is important and necessary as a human being. the catch is not to royally screw the place up for those who come after. that's not only being a good guest, it's a great basis for an ethical foundation.
That was one of my points... threaten extinctions and shit gets done. And I love nuclear power, if only the Simpsons and two meltdowns in countries iwth no safety standards didn't screw up the public image of it's safety-ness, we'd be using that much more efficient energy source more readily. Though putting it in vehicles is a terrible idea... One car crash and we're in trouble.
ReplyDeleteI didn't suggest screwing the poor man. I can tell what you're thinking when you said "and screw the poor, they got themselves in there in the first place. seriously?" I don't believe in that lie that the rich tell themselves to feel less evil. I'm just saying that I'm undecided about the importance of the generic "helping the poor" sentiment, because that raises a lot of questions and situation specifics.
The rest of comment was hard to understand grammatically, I assume you were in a rush which is understandable with your new job... but I like your sentiment at the end. "living knowing that you're going to die is important and necessary as a human being. the catch is not to royally screw the place up for those who come after. that's not only being a good guest, it's a great basis for an ethical foundation."
The only question is, screwing up the place in what way? Because we all place different values in different virtues.
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ReplyDelete"The only question is, screwing up the place in what way? Because we all place different values in different virtues."
ReplyDeletei guess i'm okay with everything with recycling and the alarmists that raise the banner of effective and efficient use and re-use of materials because we should be doing this in the first place. for me, the ends justify the means in this case. i think not using rivers as dumping grounds for toxic sludge that effects those down river, limiting our landfills and what we put in them, and re-using things like cans and glass bottles are objectively "good" and make sense in both the long term and short term both biologically and economically.
as for the poor, that's a different conversation and i'm biased as i was raised in poverty and got out. i span the divide b/t middle class and poverty. Bridges out of Poverty is a great book and i hope to get our church in a training program for it.
I should like to read Bridges out of Poverty then. But I'm honestly not telling you I feel one way or another about poverty. I'm just saying I'm not necessarily bound to a need for social justice in the more traditional sense, that being social justice as it relates to economic and physical well being. NOT THAT I'M AGAINST IT, but that I'm CURRENTLY in favor of something different, namely education for the sake of knowledge and knowledge alone. But all this is definitely off topic.
ReplyDeleteThe topic is that what you and most of my peers considers objectively good in relation to pollution and the environment(as you stated above) isn't so objective after all, and instead is just a heavily favored subjective point of view, one that I simply don't align with.
yet it is. we have evidence that shows landfills are bad in every sense of the term. we know reusing our resources are good stewardship and have many intrinsic benefits. we know effective and efficient technology are great goals to shoot for and help us progress and do more with less. i guess i'm wondering how you can be against those things. how can someone not align with those values? stereotypically thinking, i would assume you're either uneducated or a consumerist. i wouldn't think to put you in either camp, although now that i think about it you unapologetically stated that you "like things" so maybe you're in the second camp... shed some light here please.
ReplyDeleteIf you're saying landfills are bad in regards to non-human life then that's certainly subjective since there are tons of species that thrive better in waste. And if you're talking about humans, then I discussed the 3 potential benefits of landfills in my posts, 2 specifically, and 1 very specifically. You wonder why I don't align myself with your environmentally related values, but I discussed why in I don't in depth.
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering what you're definition of a consumerist is, because wikipedia and the multiple online dictionaries are quite varied. The only statement that could be said to be true for me is maybe "a preoccupation with and an inclination toward the buying of consumer goods". This is still only part of where I stand on consumption. I looked up the definition to materialistic but that doesn't do me justice either since I value life experiences and relationships more then material goods; at my most materialistic I might put material goods at the same level as relationships but never above life experiences. But if you mean consumerist in the sense of being a cog in the consumption machine (which you might not mean that, I'm not sure) then yeah, I'm totally a consumerist. Hopefully that sole answer shall sate you for now. I was thinking about this just now as I was doing some chores around the house and I think that I should write a post about consumerism and its relationship with modernity come Christmas-time, as the holidays are the perfect example of strange co-dependency we've developed with material goods. I have some interesting thoughts you might like to hear about it, but I think I can sum it up with the thesis that we can, do, and should(?) use the capitalist machine that hath so raped and pillaged our souls for our own benefit, and develop a symbiosis with our would be parasite. Alas, a topic for another day.
Although Luke, I'm surprised at you! "stereotypically thinking, i would assume you're either uneducated or a consumerist." Consumerist, sure, but uneducated? Sadly enough, you and I are among the top 10% (at least) of educated in our country, and an even lower top percentage amongst the whole world (and this is saying nothing of intelligence). Would this automatically mean that we would agree on the same points? Fuck no. There's a reason why I feel like education is important, and that's because two people who are both highly educated and intelligent can have radically different opinions. This might be because objective truths are hard to find, but mainly because those two people have different personal histories, education, and personalities. Their knowledge base could be half-shared but half-different, or their teachers could have taught them differently. Neither of them are necessarily right or wrong however. You know who is wrong? Those same two people without being educated, having the same debates but with vastly stupider arguments, using inane and outdated arguments, a sort of special olympics for rational discourse. A racist vs. a member of the PC police, a hunter vs. a vegan, or any high school republican vs. a high school democrat. To be narcissistic for a moment, the two of us are operating above that level.
You and I have different personal histories and education so of course our opinions might be different sometimes. This has nothing to do with being uneducated however. Speaking as someone who also gets frustrated with those whom I perceive to be wrong, I know its tempting to think they simply don't know as much as you, otherwise they'd agree with you. But if you've read all my posts and still don't agree with me, I could feel that way too. But I don't. Because our perceptions are simply different. No biggie.
Kim thinks I should write what I just told her "I think social justice is a legitimate goal to strive for, and is quite admirable. Otherwise I couldn't be married to you. However, it's just not MY thing". Sorry if I touched a nerve about poverty. She also wants me to write "I love you man"
ReplyDeleteyeah, i wrote that i knew you weren't uneducated, in fact just the opposite. the argument against landfills was based on a human POV solely, and also for most large, complex lifeforms. although rats seem to be able to survive anything. i don't think you're a consumerist either due to the emphasis on relationships and life experience either, so i wanted to make sure.
ReplyDeletei'm about environmental justice, it's a reason why Biology was my minor. i guess i don't consider your arguments valid in not recycling while at the same time "getting" your stance against alarmist scare tactics. friends disagree. so it goes.
about poverty, i totally get the complexities and such like. i wasn't set off by the poverty as much as i was the recycling stuff. i still think you'd totally dig that book for a variety of factors: namely for sociology, behavioral biology, group hierarchy, world view, etc. not only for poverty but also for middle class and wealth. fascinating book that really exposes the water we swim in.
"special Olympics for rational discourse" = LOVE IT! haha!
i look forward to your consumerist post and i love you too.